I bought these shoes from So ill, not backcountry. They were on a super sale and I got them for like $35, hoping I could use them as a beater gym shoe. I typically climb in Tenayas and those shoes are like WOW! I got these and they honestly just suck. There is so much material and close to no sensitivity. I downsized quite a bit so I could use them aggressively, but the rubber is not sticky and I look like a goof just sliding off edges because I canât feel where my toes are placed. Theyâre big, clunky, and pretty poorly made in my opinion.