For those of us not chasing WorldTour dreams and bound by fussing international governing body rules, the unrivaled stopping power and modulation of disc brakes make them the wave of the future. Given Pinarello's dedication to design and innovation, it's no surprise that it created the 2017 Dogma F8 Disc Road Frameset, a disc-compatible version of its venerable Dogma F8 dream bike. The disc version incorporates some changes, including a tweak to the internal lay-up and reinforcement to the brake mounts, all of which are necessary in order to account for the extra load of disc braking forces. These tweaks do come with a slight weight gain, but Pinarello assures us that it's hardly more significant than the difference in weight between paint schemes.
Disc brake compatibility excluded, this is the same frameset Pinarello designed in cahoots with Jaguar. While we aren't privy to the details of this partnership, it certainly bore fruit. The Dogma F8 improves on Pinarello's previous flagship bike, the 65.1, by mating its Tour-winning geometry with material upgrades and fresh tube shapes for a claimed 47% improvement in aerodynamics, a 16% more balanced feel, a 12% increase in rigidity — all while losing a claimed 120 grams of weight. The Dogma F8's carbon fiber is provided by another proven industry partner, the venerable carbon geniuses at Toray, whose Japanese factory produces arguably the most consistent, highest quality, and safest carbon in the world. The F8 is made from an all-new Toray masterpiece: T1100 1K Dream Carbon with Nano-alloy technology.
While the name is certainly impressive, its application is even more so. T1100 is the current go-to outer skin for many modern aircrafts, and its stiffness-to-weight ratio is nothing short of stunning. Compared to a 54cm Dogma 65.1 — which was built with Toray's 65HM1K — the F8's T1100K construction weighs nearly 80 grams less while retaining the same structural characteristics. The savvy engineers at Pinarello and Jaguar didn't waste any of these gains, precisely laying-up the carbon to maximize the benefits of these penalty-free weight savings.
The partnership's engineering expertise came into play through the use of CFD (Computational Fluid Dynamics). Using Pinarello's existing 65.1 Dogma as a baseline, the engineers plotted 70 frame configurations and 300 CFD analysis cycles to realize the most versatile aerodynamic tube shape, which has been given the utilitarian name of FlatBack. This is an apt description, as a cross-section view of this shape reveals an ovalized face paired with an abruptly truncated back half. This shape manages the detachment of turbulent lamina at multiple yaw angles, reducing the drag effect of dead air in the tubes' wake.
As important as weight and aerodynamics have become in top-end bikes, power transfer may still be the most important aspect of a racing machine, and the F8 Disc doesn't disappoint. As with its rim-brake F8 counterpart, Pinarello's asymmetric design philosophy is ever-present, as its engineers again restudied the forces in action as a rider sprints on the pedals, pulls on the handlebars, and muscles the bike through corners. FEA (Finite Element Analysis) confirmed that the 65.1 Dogma's asymmetrical design was beneficial in leveling the variances in frame deflection from one side to the other, which is why the F8 Disc's tubes have been arranged in a similar, albeit more asymmetric (16% more), layup to better balance drive-side forces.
Aerodynamics and efficiency are combined with comfort in the rear triangle, where a pair of fat, asymmetric chainstays are matched with the Onda RS F8 seatstays. The seatstays are positioned low—meeting the seat tube farther down—and describe a subtle curve as they travel towards the rear dropout. This allows for repositioned seat tube water bottle cage bosses, which Pinarello claims makes for yet another reduction in drag, and the super minimalist can remove the front derailleur mount altogether for a one-by setup.
The Dogma F8 Disc Frameset is finished with a redesigned Onda F8 fork built to handle disc brakes. We assume the reinforcement and the addition of a rotor mean that the disc model doesn't quite enjoy the standard Onda's claimed 10% reduction in weight and 40% reduction in drag, but it's no heavyweight parachute, either. It's still made of the same T1100 carbon, and its basic design still bears the evidence of improved aerodynamics from some creative cross breeding between the old Onda fork and the TT-specific Bolide fork. A with the standard model, the Onda Disc's blades are slightly convex, which Jaguar's engineers say creates the sweet spot where air stays attached, which reduces the size of the wake without creating too large a leading face.
For all this talk of developing new technologies, the bottom bracket is one area where Pinarello has thankfully refused to "innovate," sticking with the classic threaded Italian option. It's proven, it's stiff, it's Italian, and it stays. That's not to say that the F8 is a last-gen machine — quite the contrary. Its internal cable routing accommodates either mechanical or electronic shifting systems, and the carbon Air 8 seatpost accepts both Shimano Di2 and Campagnolo EPS battery packs.
- A disc-equipped machine with grand tour pedigree
- Torayca T1100 1K Dream Carbon Fiber construction
- 47% more aerodynamic than the Dogma 65.1 THINK2
- Aerodynamic gains extend to fork
- Internal cable routing maintains pro-tier tidiness
- Seatpost compatible with Shimano and Campagnolo batteries
- Q & A
What is the weight of this frame (Size 44cm)? Thanks
For the 44 frameset with the frame, seatpost, fork and bearings the total weight came to about 1810 grams. Currently we only have the All Black version available in the 44cm.
If you have any other questions about this bike, please feel free to reach out to me.
Rides like a dream
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
I was ready to move on from my Fuji Altamira SL. Kyle helped me choose between the F8 Disc and and the Bianchi Oltre XR4. I really wanted disc brakes and thru-axles, so I chose the Pinarello.
While it weighs 1.2 pounds more than my rim-brake Fuji (17.6lbs with pedals, cages, an aluminum Garmin mount and a Garmin 520). The weight is directly related to the disc brakes and the aero wheels that are 125g more than my previous set, but it rides like a 15lb bike. Super stiff, very lively, and with a 90mm stem it has very sharp steering. Not sketchy, just very reactive and immediate. With the Etap, it looks SO CLEAN. Really, really happy with it.
Another nice feature is a removable thru-axle heck handle/wrench you can keep in your pocket along with your spare tube. Also, the headset is a quality headset, not junk like most bike manufacturers send with their expensive frames (looking at you, 3T!!).
Pinarello Dogma F-8 Disc
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
I built this bike for my wife, size 46.5 in Black and Red for a long distance 2 Day mountain type ride. While not exactly light weight, the Dogma Disc was just great on the flats, down hill and up hill. The bike was equipped with Shimano electrictronic shifting and hydrolic brakes. I specificed Zipp 303 Firecrest wheels, and Continental 4000s II tires, even though they were tubeless ready. This combo was excellent as the the broken road and chipseal vibration was minimal with 72 lbs of tire pressure. No pinch flats, wide tire base for the 25 mm conti's. Tried 28's but not enough room. The 25's worked great. Wife weighs 118 lbs, so no locomotive, but still loved the way the bike handled. She got a lot of compliments on riding this stunning bike