These are a nice comfortable and breathable light weight rock pant perfect for warm weather rock climbing or alpine climbing. They have a perfect balance of weather resistance to breathability. The only caveat is that you should go try them on if possible. I had to re-order a smaller size than I traditionally wear because the elastic waistband wasn't tight enough to keep the pants up. Even still on my approach to a climb they sag from the movement and once I sweat everything loosens up. They are great once I get them under a harness though. If it weren't for the weird fit or if they came with a synch waist/ belt loops I would rate them 5 stars for sure.